Translated from the Muslim Brotherhood-linked European Council for Fatwa and Research, 16 Aug 2008:
Title: Is killing interpreted as restricting freedom of conscience?
Date: 16 August 2008
Q: One who converted to Islam from Poland, was asked by a wicked atheist about the penalty for one who apostatizes from the religion of Almighty Allah. What should he respond? He interprets killing as restricting freedom of conscience.
A: The issue of killing the apostate is a function of the state. His judgment belongs with the Islamic government. This is not the concern of Islamic foundations, associations, or centers. A group of Salafis and Imams are of the opinion that not every apostate should be killed, but rather only those who openly commit apostasy, or call for fitna, or voice harmful things against Allah and His Prophet (peace be upon him) and the believers. [The apostate] is killed in order to protect the religion and the community from his corruption, and not to restrict freedoms, as he by his action is infringing on the rights of others. The interests of the state and the society come before individual self-interest. In truth, this issue is similar to what is termed in contemporary law as “high treason” because of the harm to the public that it causes.
Já sabe que no islam, maomé até assassinou allah?
ReplyDeleteFrom this, it looks like the ECFR has the same policy as the Saudis (see below), but are just waiting until sharia is introduced more fully.
ReplyDeletehttp://quran.al-islam.com/Subject/Tree.asp?l=eng&p=0-2526-2530-
http://quran.al-islam.com/Subject/Hits.asp?l=eng&p=0-2526-2530-2531-2532-&subjno=2&pathCount=4
Saudi Kingdom official site, has disclaimer at bottom, but nonetheless they select these verses for the apostasy penalty, penalty for apostate who insults Muhammad (they quote 9:12, and 9:12-14).
Hmm. The links I provided don't seem to work properly now.
ReplyDeletehttp://quran.al-islam.com/Loader.aspx?pageid=706
However, I was able to get through via the main page (English) to the penalty for the one who apostatizes and insults Muhammad, though I'm not signed in there and it doesn't seem to work reliably.
Here it is (they cite Qur'an 9:12):
http://quran.al-islam.com/Loader.aspx?pageid=737&SubjectID=2532
Okay, regarding my above link, if you go to the English translation, you'll see a list of "Qur'an Subjects" that includes the word "Crimes." When you click on Crimes, one of the crimes shown will be apostasy. Click on Apostasy, and What is considered apostasy, you will see the penalty for the apostate who insults Muhammad, and clicking on that takes you to Q 9:12. But, you can only do this once per visit. I verified the reference to 9:12 by checking the French version of the same page.
ReplyDeleteI see there in the ECFR answer that the word for corruption has the f-s-d root. Compare with Qur'an 5:32-33, which also uses f-s-d for corruption.
ReplyDeleteall arguments of islam are invalid.
ReplyDeleteAt the begining, muhamad have no kuran, but he want all power.